É possível uma convergência entre a igreja emergente e a igreja tradicional (neo-ortodoxa), este é o dilema que Jim Belcher tenta responder. O livro traz uma descrição acurada dos dois grandes movimentos atuais de eclesiologia em resposta ao pós modernismo, só por isto já vale a leitura, e busca conceber uma terceira via, a partir de uma concepção de C.S. Lewis : deep church- igreja profunda.
Algumas notas e grifos do Kindle sobre a leitura, por ora.
Sobre a sua igreja e a forma de ser, Belcher diz: Através de nossa pregação, liturgia, e santa ceia semanal e uma comunidade de crentes unidos em Cristo, nós queremos prover um pouco de água viva para o mundo perdido.
A igreja emergente não gosta da insistência da igreja tradicional de que a crença- a adesão a certas doutrinas deve preceder o pertencer
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the emerging church does not like the traditional church's insistence that belief (adherence to certain doctrines) must precede belonging (being part of the community).
A igreja emergente não gosta da insistência da igreja tradicional de que a crença- a adesão a certas doutrinas deve preceder o pertencer (ser parte na comunidade).
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"persons will join a community before affirming the beliefs of that community. In other words, emerging culture places belonging before believing."
pessoas irão se juntar a uma comunidade antes de afirmar as crenças desta comunidade. Em outras palavras, a cultura emergente coloca pertencer antes de acreditar"
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I'm not sure that reversing the order of believing and belonging will answer these questions. I am in favor of belonging, but I don't want to shortchange belief.
Sobre esta questão, Belcher diz: "Eu não estou certo que reverter a ordem de acreditar e pertencer irá responder estas questões. Eu sou a favor de pertencer, mas eu não quero uma crença meia-boca".
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"emergent writers commonly so prioritize belonging that it is difficult to see how one can honor the precious responsibilities and privileges of those who have actually become Christians.""
"Os escritores emergentes geralmente priorizam tanto pertencer que é difícil ver como alguém pode honrar as reponsabilidades e privilégios preciosos daqueles que tem realmente se tornado cristãos".
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"In the first part of Jesus' ministry, he's training the disciples so they would know exactly who he is. Through his teaching, his miracles, his actions, his ministry, Jesus is answering the disciples' questions about Jesus' identity.
“A primeira parte do ministério de Jesus, ele está treinando os discípulos para eles soubessem exatamente o que ele era. Através de seu ensinamento, de suas ações, seu ministério, Jesus está respondendo as questões dos discípulos sobre a identidade de Jesus”
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So simply declaring that belonging precedes belief is not always helpful.
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the New Testament affirms that Christians constitute a new and distinctive community, which includes boundary markers (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).
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ao nao estabelecer limites esquece-se do ensino do NT DA Carson
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um meio termo pode ser encontrado no ministerio de Jesus
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"The way I see it," he said, "the emerging church wants to invite people into the community, not push them to have a `decisional conversion.' There are some positives to this. I think it's legitimate to have an unbounded set with no barriers to the church community so that non-Christians can wander in and out. But the bounded-set of the traditional church also has positives there are reasons for pushing people to make a decision to accept certain truths in order for them to understand that they are being converted
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The Rich Ruler comes to Jesus, clearly thinking that he is in the inner circle (a true believer in Jesus and part of God's covenant family). In the conversation, Jesus demonstrates his love and concern that the Rich Ruler not be deceived about where he stands by challenging him. Jesus calls the Ruler to follow him so that the Ruler would realize that he's not in the inner circle.
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the traditional church has emphasized individual salvation, which has led it to neglect God's creation. Thus Christianity is mere "fire insurance." The answer to this privatized faith, they say, is regaining a robust view of the kingdom of God and the church's mandate to mission.
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I appreciate Brian's stress on kingdom living, but his description leaves us powerless to enter the kingdom and to live it out.
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We settled on four words: gospel, community, mission and shalom.
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We witness this radical new way of living by our renewed lives, beautiful community, social justice, and cultural transformation.
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To make this clear our four core commitments are presented like this:
Gospel-Community--Mission--Shalom
The order is important. As we are affected by the gospel, we are empowered to move into community to care for one another. And as we care for one another, we begin to reach outside of our community with acts of mercy mission. And as we move into our community with acts of service and mercy, we begin to look for ways to make and renew culture and its institutions so that they honor God's original design for creation. This is shalom.
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deep church esta baseada num processo-valor q vai do evangelho ate a shalom
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We want to be missional, to be agents of mercy, to connect and to transform culture. But in doing all these things, we don't want to be guilty of gospel reductionism. Without the gospel, Christianity is just one more system of morality or man-made religion.
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